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[05:04]<PCdoc> How reliable are External GPU for laptops?
[05:04]<+pottsi> meh
[05:05]<PCdoc> I was just doing google and found this http://tinyurl.com/ogu5xy8
[05:10]<+pottsi> i dunno
[05:10]<+pottsi> i'm guessing the cooling system wouldn't be too good on it
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[09:05]<Craig-Work> Morning guys
[09:05]<+camerongray> Afternoon Craig-Work :P
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[09:10]<Craig-Work> How goes it cam?
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[12:18]<@BC_Programming> Postgres annoys me sometimes
[12:19]<@BC_Programming> I like how you have to read a bytea field all at once... the only way you can NOT read it all at once is by setting the DataReader to sequential access, then you can use GetBytes, which has two problems, the first is that you can only read from the column once, the second will raise an error, and the data you get is this weird mash of escaped text
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[12:37]<Tux2> lol, wow
[12:38]<Tux2> Try building a complex survival games plugin which can be extended and modded onto in a myriad of different ways to fit just about every configuration imaginable.
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[12:39]<@BC_Programming> I Did the first part before
[12:39]<@BC_Programming> heh
[12:40]<@BC_Programming> I should release that version, I did update it for 1.6.4, it's hilarious because the mobs will now ride skeleton and zombie horses
[12:40]<Tux2> lol, this one has to be able to be able to be extended to fit many different servers
[12:41]<descention1> I'm running mcpc+ and obsidian pressure plates aren't triggering for access permissions. This could be due to the obsidian pressure plate mod not throwing the correct events, correct?
[12:41]<Tux2> that's correct descention1
[12:41]<@BC_Programming> that and if it is firing the right events GP isn't going to know what a obsidian pressure plate is
[12:42]<Tux2> I've got 5 different requests for different variations of Survival Games, and instead of coding it each for every single one of them I'm building a very flexible base that will handle every single variation
[12:42]<descention1> I told it in the world.yml config under blockidsrequireingaccestrust
[12:42]<@BC_Programming> that controls blocks you interact with on right-click
[12:42]<descention1> oh
[12:42]<descention1> that makes sense
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[15:36]<Guest57559> sorry.
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[15:46]<+camerongray> err...
[15:46]<@BC_Programming> Pentium
[15:46]<+camerongray> Oh, it's that Pentium guy
[15:46]<+camerongray> *sigh*
[15:47]<+camerongray> I liked the time on the forum he was claiming downloading music from Youtube was legal
[15:47]<@BC_Programming> haha
[15:48]<+camerongray> At least that 'Google' guy is being a bit quieter
[15:49]<+camerongray> Calum complimented me today for basically telling people they are idiots :P
[15:50]<@BC_Programming> heh
[15:50]<@BC_Programming> where did you do this
[15:50]<@BC_Programming> I must see
[15:50]<+camerongray> Not sure if you saw it: http://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php/topic,141664.msg897140.html#msg897140
[15:50]<@BC_Programming> hahaha
[15:50]<+camerongray> Almost feel that needs BC reply :P
[15:51]<+camerongray> Maybe patio is the person who comes up with all the percentages ASUS advertise with their products
[15:51]<@BC_Programming> they are only accurate 5 percent of the time
[15:51]<+camerongray> haha
[15:51]<+camerongray> 10% faster, 20% cooler, 50% longer lifespan
[15:52]<@BC_Programming> 110% margin of error
[15:52]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, and found something out today - You know how I was ashamed to be from the same country(ish) as DB?
[15:52]<@BC_Programming> no but I guess I do now
[15:52]<+camerongray> Well, that's now your problem as it turns out he was born in Canada :P
[15:53]<+camerongray> Or he looked found a map when cleaning the offices and thought "That's a big country, I come from there"
[15:53]<@BC_Programming> so was Justin Beiber
[15:53]<+camerongray> lol
[15:55]<+camerongray> The US breaks English, does Canada break punctuation, hence DB's mental typing
[15:56]<@BC_Programming> no
[15:56]<@BC_Programming> Dumbasses are not locale-specific
[15:56]<+camerongray> lol!
[15:56]<+camerongray> I've never seen anything like it :P
[15:56]<+camerongray> Like, how can you type 5 commas in a row
[15:56]<@BC_Programming> I notice PCDoc doesn't come here often anymore, whew, took long enough
[15:56]<+camerongray> Or randomly capitalise stuff like "FAN"
[15:57]<+camerongray> Yeah, think we pissed him off a bit :P
[15:57]<@BC_Programming> Patio likes to call them "MAC" computers
[15:58]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, that's a good one
[15:58]<+camerongray> DB does it too
[15:58]<+camerongray> And DELL - Sure it's uppercase on the computer itself, doesn't mean that's the offical way to type it :P
[15:59]<@BC_Programming> hmm I transferred 200 to paypal but I forget what for
[15:59]<+camerongray> If the capitalisation on the machine was corect, my CPU would be an "intel CORE i5 vPro"
[15:59]<+camerongray> lol
[16:00]<@BC_Programming> heh I bought what I thought were three SATA cables a few days ago but turns out they were 3 packs of 2.
[16:00]<+camerongray> lol!
[16:00]<@BC_Programming> and I'll probably just end up going to the shop and buying one this weekend anyway
[16:00]<+camerongray> Could probably return them to the store if you don't need them
[16:00]<@BC_Programming> want to install this 4TB drive
[16:01]<+camerongray> lol yeah
[16:02]<@BC_Programming> I guess I <could> burn a Linux distro and then boot from that and install the old drive and the 4TB and copy the old drive to the new one or something
[16:24]<+camerongray> Yeah, that would work
[16:24]<+camerongray> Better that than risk the old drive dying in the meantime
[16:26]<@BC_Programming> old drive is fine
[16:26]<@BC_Programming> it's just slow
[16:26]<@BC_Programming> because it's not an SSD :P
[16:26]<@BC_Programming> I did want to give the actually failed 1.5TB another go too
[16:33]<@BC_Programming> I'm just sitting here uploading stuff into postgres
[17:03]<Tux2> Just a warning: I haven't had any success copying regular hard drives to SSD in a hard drive clone... I've done it quite a few times using a fair number of programs.
[17:03]<Tux2> At least for an OS disk
[17:03]<@BC_Programming> I'm not doing that, I'm already running on the SSD :P
[17:03]<Tux2> Ahh... ;) Should work fine then
[17:04]<@BC_Programming> copy would be from my old boot drive to the new 4TB, and not for booting but just so I can access the data
[17:05]<@BC_Programming> then hopefully if it wants to work I can install my 1.5TB and copy data from that as well, though I figure it's probably dead now
[17:06]<Tux2> lol, put it in the freezer for 30 minutes before attempting it. It's worked for me a few times
[17:11]<@BC_Programming> oh wow flash drives are really big now
[17:12]<+camerongray> lol yeah
[17:12]<+camerongray> I still hate the things :P
[17:12]<@BC_Programming> my largest are 8GB
[17:12]<+camerongray> Ahh, I have a 32gb one that I got for like £10/£20
[17:12]<+camerongray> USB 3.0 too
[17:13]<@BC_Programming> I need another power strip
[17:13]<@BC_Programming> I have to swap plugs to use stuff, haha
[17:13]<@BC_Programming> think it would be reasonable to replace my 9800GT?
[17:14]<+camerongray> Yeah, definitely
[17:14]<@BC_Programming> yeah but I mean, considering I won't be upgrading my processor?
[17:14]<+camerongray> Yeah, even then, your CPU should be fine for a while
[17:15]<+camerongray> Then you can always carry a GPU over to your new CPU when you finally do upgrade
[17:15]<+camerongray> My flatmate has a Q9200 with a 650ti
[17:15]<@BC_Programming> yes 9800GT could be a backup or go back in this one when I build another and take the better one I suppose
[17:15]<+camerongray> Yeah
[17:16]<@BC_Programming> actually no, new Monitor would be first :P
[17:16]<+camerongray> lol
[17:16]<@BC_Programming> you spit on my 1440x900
[17:16]<+camerongray> haha, I have that at work
[17:16]<+camerongray> And a 1280x1024
[17:16]<@BC_Programming> and you spit on it
[17:16]<+camerongray> And a 1366x768
[17:16]<+camerongray> haha
[17:16]<@BC_Programming> that's why you keep getting written up
[17:17]<@BC_Programming> "look cameron, you really must stop drooling on our hardware"
[17:17]<+camerongray> haha
[17:17]<+camerongray> If you are quick though, AMD just replaced their 7xxx GPU series with new ones that are virually identical - Can get the previous generation dirt cheap now!
[17:18]<@BC_Programming> what is an "IPS" monitor
[17:18]<+camerongray> The one you should get :P
[17:18]<@BC_Programming> yeah but what does it mean :P
[17:18]<+camerongray> Basically a panel that has very good viewing angles and colours
[17:18]<+camerongray> Compared to regular TN panels
[17:19]<+camerongray> TN is crap in comparison :P
[17:19]<@BC_Programming> like Active Matrix versus Passive matrix
[17:19]<+camerongray> Yeah
[17:20]<+camerongray> I don't use any TN now - Laptop and desktop are both IPS and my TV is some Samsung thing that's like IPS but isn't
[17:21]<+camerongray> Get one of the cheap 1440p ones
[17:21]<@BC_Programming> You must get a dry mouth from spitting on things so much
[17:21]<+camerongray> haa
[17:21]<@BC_Programming> :P
[17:23]<+camerongray> My friend now calls me "elitist" after I said something bad about MSI and ASRock, commented that a £100 kilt isn't 'real' then paid the £5 extra for steak at the CompSoc Christmas dinner :P
[17:24]<@BC_Programming> hmm I could get a digital camcorder... for videos
[17:24]<+camerongray> lol, yeah
[17:24]<@BC_Programming> "Today I shall review this box"
[17:25]<@BC_Programming> "As we can see, the edge crush test was given a stellar rating"
[17:25]<+camerongray> Or, although you hate the things, a smartphone - Costs close to a camcorder, would also be a great camera, and act as an MP3 player as yours is kinda broken
[17:25]<+camerongray> Like a 16gb Nexus 5 is $349 and is amazing
[17:25]<@BC_Programming> Mine works fine, it just hangs and crashes constantly and has no volume knob
[17:25]<+camerongray> lol!
[17:26]<+camerongray> Hint: http://www.google.ca/nexus/5/
[17:26]<+camerongray> Could also get into App development :P
[17:27]<@BC_Programming> true
[17:27]<+camerongray> I can imagine you doing Vlogs :P
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[17:27]<@BC_Programming> "BC reviews ordinary household items"
[17:27]<+camerongray> Yeah :P
[17:28]<+camerongray> I'd also love to see if the voice recognition can understand you - Works fine for a Scottish accent until you say "Set a reminder for six"
[17:28]<@BC_Programming> "Today I will be looking at this glass mug"
[17:28]<+camerongray> You then end up with a reminder set for "sex" "Today" "Night" "One time"
[17:28]<@BC_Programming> "BEHOLD! it holds liquids!"
[17:28]<+camerongray> haha!
[17:28]<@BC_Programming> bahaha
[17:28]<@BC_Programming> "I give it five stars"
[17:28]<+camerongray> I'm thinking about you waking round the supermarket ranting at stuff
[17:29]<@BC_Programming> "Look at this cantaloupe... here's a Banana for scale"
[17:29]<+camerongray> lol
[17:29]<@BC_Programming> somebody asks who I'm talking to "why, the 5 people who watch my youtube channel of course"
[17:29]<+camerongray> The Nexus 5 is seriously amazing - Same power if not better than much more expensive phones
[17:29]<@BC_Programming> embarassing but hilarious
[17:30]<@BC_Programming> oooh
[17:30]<@BC_Programming> three paydays in January
[17:30]<+camerongray> Basically Google significantly subsidise the price so it's dirt cheap
[17:30]<+camerongray> I have the Nexus 4 and love it
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[17:31]<+camerongray> 1080p video - You don't get the optical zoom of a camcorder but other than that it's great
[17:32]<+camerongray> Then it has a front facing one for "BC's Vlogs" where we can watch you walk into lampposts while talking to a camera
[17:32]<@BC_Programming> "Today I will walk suspiciously with a camera near this elementary school. What could possibly go wrong"
[17:33]<+camerongray> lol!
[17:34]<+camerongray> But yeah, get a 1440p monitor
[17:34]<@BC_Programming> heh it would be funny to run into Notch and be like "you look familiar, are you Patrick Stewart?"
[17:34]<+camerongray> haha
[17:35]<@BC_Programming> "no" "yeah, you're Patrick Stewart, the guy who made minecraft! May the force be with you"
[17:35]<+camerongray> hahaha!
[17:35]<@BC_Programming> just confuse like 10 movies and shows together
[17:36]<@BC_Programming> "say hello to my little friend"
[17:36]<+camerongray> This sort of monitor: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/X-Star-DP2710-LED-Tempered-Glass-27-2560x1440-SAMSUNG-PLS-DVI-27inch-PC-Monitor-/131067585141?pt=Computer_Monitors&hash=item1e843ca275&_uhb=1
[17:36]<+camerongray> Join us... Join us... Join the 1440p club
[17:36]<Tux2> oooh
[17:37]<+camerongray> You probably will need a new GPU though to drive it
[17:37]<+camerongray> Tux2: lol yeah, they are amazing, I have 2x 1440p :P
[17:38]<@BC_Programming> yes that is quite fine
[17:38]<+camerongray> Don't think a 9800GT would be happy though :P
[17:39]<@BC_Programming> why
[17:39]<+camerongray> Will probably struggle to run games at that resolution
[17:39]<Tux2> lol, I don't need to run games at that resolution, just the desktop space for programming!
[17:40]<+camerongray> Yeah
[17:40]<+camerongray> I mean, these monitors *require* dual link DVI cables :P
[17:40]<Tux2> O.o
[17:40]<@BC_Programming> oh, do they come with them
[17:40]<+camerongray> Mine did, not sure if they all do
[17:40]<+camerongray> But they are pretty cheap if you need to get one
[17:40]<@BC_Programming> my monitor only has a D-SUB lol
[17:40]<+camerongray> lol
[17:41]<+camerongray> I have 2 of these: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hazro_hz27wb.htm
[17:41]<+camerongray> Really good but more expensive than the Korean ones as they are UK made
[17:41]<Tux2> lol, my monitor only has VGA, but it is at least 1080p
[17:42]<@BC_Programming> do they have proper letterboxing, my monitor stretches any non-native resolution and it looks terrible
[17:42]<+camerongray> Look at this desktop space! http://pasteboard.co/1VSh4b6S.png
[17:43]<@BC_Programming> "Image not Found" yeah lots of space
[17:43]<+camerongray> oh :P
[17:43]<+camerongray> Not sure, but if you don't run them at native resolution, Calum will kill a puppy
[17:44]<+camerongray> Try this: http://flat.camerongray.me/~camerong/public/photos/desktop.png
[17:46]<@BC_Programming> I would run it native for desktop use
[17:46]<@BC_Programming> but old games only support 4:3
[17:46]<+camerongray> Ahh
[17:46]<@BC_Programming> sigh...
[17:46]<+camerongray> ?
[17:46]<@BC_Programming> sorry
[17:46]<+camerongray> lol
[17:47]<@BC_Programming> I'm having to argue on CH that the gram is a unit of Mass, not weight
[17:47]<@BC_Programming> with Davelembke
[17:48]<+camerongray> Where about?
[17:48]<+camerongray> Ahh, found it
[17:49]<+camerongray> He can be a bit daft at times
[17:50]<+camerongray> Like when he listed 3 of the crappest PSUs I've seen and asked to pick the best
[17:50]<+camerongray> LM seems to be losing it too!
[17:50]<@BC_Programming> LM?
[17:50]<+camerongray> Lisa_maree?
[17:50]<@BC_Programming> oh
[17:51]<+camerongray> She always seemed really good, but seems to be coming out with quite a bit nonsense lately
[17:51]<+camerongray> I remember patio even called her out on it once
[17:52]<@BC_Programming> I love it though
[17:52]<+camerongray> Yeah
[17:52]<@BC_Programming> He's in the U.S... and he's trying to correct somebody who grew up in a country that uses SI measurements...
[17:53]<+camerongray> haha
[17:53]<+camerongray> Yeah
[17:53]<@BC_Programming> the whole "Gram is a unit of mass, not weight" was REPEATEDLY drilled into us during school
[17:53]<+camerongray> What's your opinion of Allan? Lots of people think he's a dick but he seems to be really nice unless the person he is talking to is an idiot
[17:53]<@BC_Programming> he's OK
[17:53]<+camerongray> Yeah
[17:54]<+camerongray> Like he told Calum that I was very helpful in the mod thread about the chat
[17:54]<+camerongray> And replied to a thread I had helped him in a while later letting me know that it had worked
[17:55]<@BC_Programming> I like how the quote he took from wikipedia substantiates what I said
[17:55]<+camerongray> yeah
[17:55]<+camerongray> Then there's Geek-9pm...
[17:56]<+camerongray> He seems like a really nice guy but just sprouts out irrelevant nonsense half the time
[17:56]<@BC_Programming> there I explained weights and measures
[17:56]<+camerongray> Like "The thing is already in the upper levels of retail computers." when it's a Core 2 Quad with 3gb RAM
[18:01]<+camerongray> <db100547> guest_77: if its for playing games , then AMD are probably the best ones .
[18:04]<+camerongray> And now "gamers here prefer AMD"
[18:04]<+camerongray> Then Pentium backs him up
[18:05]<@BC_Programming> Pentium is a troll
[18:05]<@BC_Programming> he joined here under and alt and spammed chanbot and got banned
[18:05]<@BC_Programming> then rejoined as his normal nick and acted like nothing happened
[18:06]<+camerongray> Yeah
[18:07]<Tux2> lol
[18:09]<+camerongray> Now LM keeps mentioning FM3
[18:10]<@BC_Programming> Fortunistic Mechanoid 3? That's a great game
[18:10]<+camerongray> haha
[18:18]<+camerongray> Ahh, Pentium has a FX-9590
[18:18]<+camerongray> Of course he's a fanboy if he bought that stupid thing :P
[18:20]<@BC_Programming> lol I just found a piece of code that basically queries whether the current thread is running
[18:20]<+camerongray> lol, he says his "evidence is called experience"
[18:20]<@BC_Programming> who?
[18:20]<+camerongray> pentium
[18:21]<@BC_Programming> he's MAYBE 14 years old
[18:21]<+camerongray> yeah, my thoughts exactly
[18:35]<+camerongray> Think I broke him...
[18:35]<+camerongray> [01:33:10] <camerongray> Also Pentium - While "experience" is important, you can't claim experience as proof, I have built a load of gaming machines on both AMD and Intel chips and in my experience the Intels tend to perform better - As for actual evidence you may want to read this: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7189/choosing-a-gaming-cpu-september-2013/5
[18:35]<+camerongray> [01:33:17] <Merciless> so what would i have to do to even get it to compare to my old All-In-One Dell Inspiron 2020
[18:35]<+camerongray> [01:33:37] <Questionasker> like i said patio, i dont just want to move it... i want to find the right way to do it, and as i also said before, i just found the right way to do it
[18:35]<+camerongray> [01:33:41] <camerongray> Pentium: You'll notice the new Intel chips outperform the AMD ones in anything that isn't highly multithreaded as I stated above
[18:35]<+camerongray> [01:33:49] <Pentium> camerongray: cameron take it easy... if i wanted to provide proff... i would have
[18:35]<+camerongray> Then he left :P
[18:36]<@BC_Programming> haha
[18:41]<+camerongray> Then again, all I need to do is squish him when he's an idiot :P
[18:43]<@BC_Programming> heh Control-Shift-F9 to remove all breakpoints
[18:43]<@BC_Programming> why does it ask "Are you sure"
[18:43]<@BC_Programming> you can't exactly hit that combination by accident
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